Tras el Crossover, qué es lo próximo para Arrow, The Flash y Legends of Tomorrow
Por Eric Goldman 02 Dic, 2015
So now that this year’s big Flash and Arrow crossover is over, what’s next for the two series and for the upcoming spinoff, Legends of Tomorrow, which got some big set-up in this event?
We attended a screening of the crossover this week and spoke to the executive producers of all three shows about what the future holds…
Legends Set-Up is Set
Even prior to this two-night event, both The Flash and Arrow had done a lot of set-up for Legends of Tomorrow this season – some would say too much, given how much screen time was given for characters like The Atom, Sara Lance, Captain Cold and Firestorm who are all moving to that new series. However, now that Hawkgirl, Hawkman and Vandal Savage have been introduced, expect that to change.
Asked if there would be less intersections involving the Legends characters appearing on Arrow and The Flash in the second half of the season, Greg Berlanti replied, “Absolutely. In fact, once Legends is born in January, there’s really no intersection on the other shows. Legends is kind of its own wacky, crazy kind of thing that allows for some fun surprises in terms of who may visit and how because they’re flying through the timeline and you’ll start to see more of that. But not on Arrow or Flash.”
A Savage Return
Regarding keeping the Legends characters on that show going forward, Vandal Savage was seemingly destroyed by the end of Arrow, only for Malcolm Merlyn to retrieve his ashes - and we already know Savage is the main villain on Legends of Tomorrow. Despite Merlyn’s involvement, look for this story to be picked up on Legends, with Berlanti noting, “As of right now, we’ve almost always saved it for Legends. But we’re not done with the seasons on those two shows yet so I don’t want to say we wouldn’t come up with some kind of way to reference it.”
As for what Savage’s greater motivations are, Marc Guggenheim remarked, “I think that's something you'll see in Legends. He has a very clear plan and trajectory. The thing about Vandal is that for him a lifetime is an eye blink. He thinks in thousand-year-old terms. He's a very much a master of the long con. Yes, he does have his own personal agenda vis a vis the Hawks. But he's got much bigger plans for the world, which you'll have to watch Legends to find out.”
Legendary Opportunities
Given the time travel nature of Legends of Tomorrow, the producers were asked if we might be able to meet earlier incarnations of Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Said Berlanti, “There really is an opportunity for all sorts of insane things, which is kind of one of the challenges that we put forth to ourselves, which is what makes the show different in its own way.”
As far as possibly seeing different version of Green Arrow and The Flash, Guggenheim said,” You might. I mean, we’re obviously not going to spoil what we’re going to be doing with future episodes of Legend, but like Greg was saying, part of the fun of Legends is the fact that it takes place all throughout history, future and past so the great thing about Legends and one of the things we’re having so much fun with is that everything is up for grabs. Anything is possible.”
Added Kreisberg, “Legends might as well be called DC Bonkers. That really is what it is.”
Getting Speedier
Regarding whether any liberties have been taken with the Speed Force or if it works just like in the comics, Kreisberg noted, “I think there’s always liberties – I think just the general concept of the Speed Force is just a living entity from which all speedsters derive their powers and that there’s a morality to it and there are consequences to using it and all of that is at play in the show. None of the shows is a specific adaptation of any one comic book, it’s always an amalgamation, bits of this, bits of everything Geoff [Johns] does and also put through our filter…”
Said DC’s Johns, “The reason these shows are so great – one of the many reasons for fans is that they get it. There’s so few people out there that get it, so all the characters – although there might be slight changes to it here and there, from the Speed Force to the Hawks to everything in these shows, these guys are always true to the DNA of the comic books.”
As for whether Barry might take the serum Wells has developed, Kreisberg said, with a grin, “Well, if you're a fan of the comics, you know that a big part of the comics is Velocity-9. And today you guys met Velocity-6. So it's safe to say that there'll be a few more iterations of that formula. How it plays out and how it works and who uses it and the effects that that have -- that's something that you'll have to watch.”
Jay and Wells: BFFs?
Given Jay Garrick has helped save Wells’ life, might their relationship improve? Said Teddy Sears, who plays Jay, “There is a growing understanding; a respect. There is a nice -- I don't want to call it a shift, but these two will begin to work side-by-side, as members of Team STAR Labs, going forward and fighting metahumans. They're not going to be buddies or great friends, but something does happen for the good after that”
Added Kreisberg, “I think this version of Wells does not suddenly have a kumbaya moment and want to join the party, but there are little chinks in his armor along the way, and watching that relationship with [Jay], and especially that relationship with Cisco and Barry as it moves forward, just as he’s seeing these people be selfless around each other and these people who are honest and strong enough to admit their flaws and admit how weak they are and how strong they are, it is having an effect on him. That’s the big thing for Cisco. [Carlos Valdes] and Tom have some great scenes coming up, and especially Tom and Grant as that relationship [Barry and Wells] progresses. You know, everybody wants him to be the Wells from last year before they knew [the truth]. No matter how much time has passed, they’re all still craving that bond, and that friendship and that love and that support that he would give them. No matter how many times this version of Wells kicks dirt in their face and pulls the football away, they keep coming back for it, just like we all want our parents’ love and adoration and respect.”
Patty's Role
Patty Spivot came face-to-face with Earth-2 Wells this week, introducing her to more of Barry’s world. Asked if Patty will begin to become even more involved, Kreisberg remarked, “I think that’s a little bit of Barry’s storyline this year is Patty, and can he actually have a relationship with somebody and what does having a relationship with somebody mean, and you know you see it moving forward, especially with Barry’s interactions with Iris where Iris is telling him, you know, I’m telling you as your friend that the way you handled things last year was terrible, and you caused a lot of unnecessary hurt and you caused people to be in danger and you have to do things differently if you really care about this girl. Then on the other hand, he has this new version of Wells ironically telling him, you know, if you really care about this person, you keep her as far away from all of this as possible, because if Zoom finds out, he’ll kill her. Barry is really wrestling with those two things moving forward. But Shantel [VanSanten] is amazing, and I think just like with Iris last year, it’s like she doesn’t need any help getting herself into trouble, and Patty loves the metahumans and she loves the danger and she loves the science of it all, so in some ways, she’s being presented as the perfect girl for Barry Allen, so what’s it going to take for him to let her in and you guys will have to see how it plays out.”
Son of Arrow
The crossover finally fully dealt with Oliver Queen having a son he didn’t know about, after introducing the idea a couple years back on Arrow. Regarding the decision to make his son, William, not be a version of DC’s Connor Hawke, Andrew Kreisberg said, “I think when we came up with the whole idea of it, part of it was we didn’t want to be tied in necessarily to a character like Connor not being able to be part of the show if we made him so young; to give us the leeway to still have Connor Hawke be part of the universe. That was sort of the biggest reason we made that decision. It’s actually one of things I think all of us are most proud of and, again, having the kind of partners that we have that we’re able to basically have one scene in one episode in season two knowing that we were eventually going to get to this point and that it is all set up and that it is all tied in to Oliver’s mother. And Susanna [Thompson] hasn’t been with the show for a while now and yet her presence is still felt all throughout this story. There are some things that happen when you do a show for a long time that are just sort of happy accidents and then there are other things that you plan on and this is one that we really planned on.
Kreisberg had a lot of praise for Anna Hopkins, who plays Samantha, the mother of Oliver’s child, noting, “Obviously, Anna's very talented and has lots of opportunities and really took a flyer on us when we said, ‘Hey you do one scene for us in Season 2 and we promise in two years we will make this a real part and have it really be part of the show!’ And to her credit, because she's an amazing person, she said yes. So I just want to make sure that we give her her props, too, because she's does such a great job and was so great in that one scene...and, again, her and her people, we're like, look this is a very small moment but we promise it will pay dividends down the road.”
The Secret
Another big moment for Oliver came at the end of the crossover, when he chose to not tell Felicity about his child. Said Wendy Mericle, “Well, for Arrow, it's definitely going to come to a head in the middle of the season. I can't tell you how or exactly how that's gonna happen. But obviously for the arc of Oliver and Felicity's relationship this season, the fact that he's keeping this from her... True to what we've done on the show, if there's a secret somewhere, it's going to come out and it's going to have some serious consequences. We're really excited about how that's going to change things and it's really going to raise the stakes and throw some wrenches into the works of their relationship, which so far this season has been pretty smooth sailing. True to form, we're gonna really mine that. There'll be some fallout for both of them.”
Making Death Count
One reporter asked how, given what we’ve seen on these shows, death can still feel impactful, given there are several ways for characters to return.
Said Guggenheim, “Well, we've certainly taken care of the Lazarus Pit at the end of Episode 3 of [Arrow] Season 4. And Legends will explain, basically, why time travel can't be used in a deus ex machina kind of way, not just with respect to death, but with respect to any plot contrivance. It's like, ‘Why can't we just go back to Episode X and do that episode differently?’ We're going to answer that question very definitively. It'll be part of the rules of time travel that are a part of Legends.”
Berlanti said they treat death more like the comic books do than other TV shows and when Johns brought up how Barry Allen in the comic books was dead for about 20 years, before his return, Berlanti replied, “Exactly. Why that's a perfect example is they all waited long enough, and Geoff chose to bring him back the right way. So dead will still mean dead, but it doesn't always mean dead forever. Some characters it will, and some characters it won't. I think that is part of... We even say that sometimes when we sit down with actors to let them know their fate at the end of a season. We describe it to them - sometimes in this universe, if something comes to us that's a really organic, cool way to bring a character back and is exciting to us and we feel like doesn't sort of devalue the death, but introduces them in another interesting way into the narrative, I do think that this genre that we're making is different than other shows in that way. So I think that's part of what makes it interesting. We try and hold ourselves to certain standards, but when a character's lost, I think part of the question mark is they could be lost forever and they could not be if we could find a valid, cool way to bring them back.”
Said Mericle, “What we try to do also is make sure even if death is not always permanent that it has an emotional impact on the characters regardless of whether we ever decide to bring them back. And on Arrow, we can do that in the flashbacks, and obviously now that we have kind of one universe, we can do it in all kinds of ways on the other shows. But for us, at least in terms of when we're talking about the storylines on Arrow, it always boils down to, ‘What kind of impact will this have on the characters? And is that something that is worth exploring?’
Kreisberg agreed, saying, “I think that's the key is the consequences. When Sara was brought back, when Thea was brought back, last year when Barry changed the timeline, this year when Barry changes the timeline, any of these things that feel like the right thing to do, there's always, always a price to be paid, and whether or not that price gets paid immediately like it did with the character at CCPN who got killed or whether that price gets paid later on in ways that you don't foresee, it always comes back to haunt you. Again, whether it's by magic or it's by time travel, we always talk about, on Legends, Vandal is the Big Bad, but truly the Big Bad is time itself. Time wants to go in one direction, and I think that ethos... When people die, the universe wants them to stay dead. Anything you do to change that is going to have, as Geoff said, a cost. And that's what these shows are, these characters constantly paying that price for as much as these powers and abilities and technologies that they have, there's always a price to be paid for using them.”
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